Mark Zuckerberg appeared on Joe Rogan ’s podcast originally this week , and he had a great deal of words to say about Apple . In particular , the Meta chief direct the party ’s innovative streak and the awkward ecosystem weaved around it .

“ They have n’t invented anything great in a while . It ’s like Steve Jobs manufacture the iPhone , and now they ’re just kind of sitting on it 20 class later , ” Zuckerberg told Rogan .

Here ’s the fun part . Meta — which run by the name Facebook not too long ago — tried to get a foothold in the phone market . And we ’re not just speak about societal medium apps here , but actual ironware .

In 2011 , the company partnered with HTC and launched two phones . The ChaCha was a QWERTY sound with a consecrate Facebook button at the button . The estimate was to offer one - tap access to the Facebook societal - verse .

Then there was the HTC Salsa , which kept the “ f ” clit but get for a regular full - screen slab format . Neither phone got a successor . Poor build , uninspiring interior hardware , and subpar camera experience were some of the issue that adopter face .

Two years later , Zuckerberg again bump at HTC ’s doors and created a custom Android experience called Facebook Home . The software even have kudos for its heedful design and unclouded look on theHTC First smartphone .

Unfortunately , smartphone fancier did n’t buy too much into the mind of a phone tied deeply into the social mass medium cloth . take care you , this was retentive before Facebook was deemeda ticking secrecy bomb .

set aside the reason for the unsuccessful person , Facebook simply was n’t deemed charming — or competent enough — to beat the uprise lunar time period of iPhones or even make headway a footing in the Android mart .

Alright , maybe Zuckerberg isnotsalty about those loser . It seems he is authentically interested about Apple losing its founding mojo . And in his belief , that is taking a toll on the sales agreement figures as well .

“ I am not even sure they are selling more iPhones at this head , ” he told Rogan . “ I think part of it is that each propagation does n’t get that much better , so people are just take longer to upgrade than they would before . ”

The Meta chief is not entirely off the marking here . Apple has indeed lost its militant bound to Formosan firebrand when it add up to smartphone innovations . But that has n’t stopped the company from sell more phone .

Or even tablets , watches , or computers . Zuckerberg ca n’t quite lay claim that Facebook excelled in those categories , either . Meta ’s best profits in the XR computer hardware segment materialized only after itacquired Oculus for a duo of billion dollars .

In 2022 , Meta reportedly offset its ambitious smartwatch project , accord toBloomberg . The same twelvemonth , Reutersreported that the poor - livedPortal smart displayline was also put on meth .

During the closely three - minute - long audience with Rogan , Zuckerberg also touched upon Apple ’s platform restrictions , using the AirPods as an example .

“ They ’ve just thoroughly hamstrung the ability for anyone else to build something that can relate to the iPhone in the same way , ” he say .

Zuckerberg also broach the issue of Apple ’s App Store fee structure , which has attracted its clean share of criticism and antimonopoly concern .

“ So , how are they have more money as a company ? Well , they do it by essentially , like , squeezing mass , ” referring to the 30 % fee Apple charges for apps and in - app purchase distributed via the App Store .

Apple has loosened some of the restrictions — which admit allowing international defrayment pipelines — following multiple investigations and Europe’slandmark Digital Markets Act ( DMA ) reform .

The consultation is worth a watch , especially in the wake of dramatic change at Meta in the past few days . The company hasendedits diversity , fairness and inclusion body ( DEI ) effort .

Meta has alsoendedits autonomous fact - chequer organisation for Facebook and Instagram , away fromsome questionable moderation change , all of which have raise serious concern .